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Feel like ill understand what your saying as lynn develops

2:05 AM

There are two levels of thought

A good comparison would be to imagine a tulpa as existing in a near dream-state when you are not thinking about them directly. Once they start being thought about the mind may give them a role, like that in a dream, when that role wasn't actually happening prior.

And language grants you access to the higher level thought

If you believe they had such a role.

The inner level is intent

2:06 AM

So

2:06 AM

You know when you want to communicate something but you can't sayit

Intent is communicable as real communication by the way, without words, between a host and tulpa.

Or word it

It is usually referred to as tulpish

2:07 AM

Occasionally they do that first.

2:07 AM

Before speech

That is when you have trouble translating your thought intent into words

2:07 AM

Thats why tulpas communicate through emotions and intent first

2:08 AM

Intent is the basic inner thought level

It isn't universal. I actually had a powerful hallucinatory event first.

2:08 AM

But I digress.

Digress?

Or more accurately interrupt.

2:09 AM

Don't presume they will communicate first through intent or it will happen that way. There's nothing more difficult about rendering speech for you.

I plan on heavily working on my tulpa before going to sleep

2:09 AM

And potentially lucid dreaming so i can see her

On that point indeed one of the first few events I had was an unintentional lucid dream involving my original tulpa, Mika. What I would say is keep in mind that I don't think lucid dreaming by itself trains you to communicate.

No it doesnt

It can possibly allow you to communicate at all, but it won't help with IRL stuff.

But it greatly helps

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2:11 AM

I think i got my form that i use for lynn from a dream actually

2:12 AM

Like months before

Experientially lucid dreams are cool, and that was a formative memory for both of us.

I feel like i can help develop her in a lucid dream more

There's much that can be done with lucid dreaming, but I just mean the skill is essentially irrelevant.

2:13 AM

When it comes to communication

Given that i came fron the lucid dream community for the purpose of wanting to communicate to her in the dream

2:13 AM

To me its a skill that is part of my goals

2:13 AM

I want to TILD

2:13 AM

Tulpa induced lucid dreaming

On that point having looked it up I must presume it's suggestion based.

2:15 AM

Consider: As I mentioned, tulpas aren't just operating in parallel to you at all times. They aren't running when not being consciously focused on. If they appear in a dream it is because of suggestion and desire and all that good stuff.

2:16 AM

And quite possibly yes, they can proverbially lucidify you, but there's no way for them to "arrive" in the dream seperately from you. They are just as much at the whims of sleep as you.

2:18 AM

Though I do note a few people here have spoken about dreams before and have mentioned interesting dream based identity behaviour. Some dream as only themselves. I am one of these, but there have been exceptions where I have been my tulpa entirely throughout dreams, and Zen was simply not present, as it were. These were rarer.

2:19 AM

There is some weird shit with what identity the brain decides to latch onto with regards to who is actually dreaming, in short.

2:20 AM

Anywho it's nearly half three in the morning, nerds. So I'm out for tonight. See ya later.

Toodles, mister Zen.

imagine being smart

berockly (TTG)

And from personal accounts that ive heard most alters start out as imaginary friends

Not really, most alters start out as thinking they are the host (edited)

10:37 AM

and with time they learn about each other

10:39 AM

That's the distinction I personally see between alters and tulpas - alter being an alternate state of the host (identifying with the same body (but maybe different age), name, same biography (but different parts of it)), and tulpa being an companion that can also switch With this distinction, DID systems can also have tulpas, but they are disordered and much easier created

Abvieon {Alex}

Though is it even entirely your brain if you have a tulpa...? aCosmicThink

It is a common misconception - brain is not yours, you and your tulpas are brain's! (edited)

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berockly (TTG)

When a human is developing different thoughts and such compete until the strongest one forms a full identity

theory of structural dissociation (which is a model that not all psychologists agree with) claims that children do have a set of different ego states (for playing, for being hungry, angry etc) which naturally integrates at the age of around 7-9. If the process is disturbed, you end up with DID/osdd. So your idea was kind of similar with the difference that there is no ego state/identity that “wins”, they all become one (edited)

proxi

theory of structural dissociation (which is a model that not all psychologists agree with) claims that children do have a set of different ego states (for playing, for being hungry, angry etc) which naturally integrates at the age of around 7-9. If the process is disturbed, you end up with DID/osdd. So your idea was kind of similar with the difference that there is no ego state/identity that “wins”, they all become one (edited)

It seems plausible

4:28 PM

But that is what i mean by win

Ok wow

7:15 PM

Servitors

7:15 PM

Interesting topic

I have had a speculative idea about servitors. I once decided to try giving myself OCD, and it worked. (edited)

...why would you even try to give yourself OCD?

Maybe it was just curiosity. I can catch myself doing it and stop it, but I still have the habit years later :c . (edited)

I imagine what is good for countering OCD is probably CBD, Aversion therapy, and exposure and response prevention.

Hmm

Uh

8:31 PM

Idk if i have aphantasia or not

D:

8:44 PM

Plz describe symptomz

Oh i think i just have really weak visualization

8:50 PM

Is there ways i can improve?

8:50 PM

Any recommended links?

it pretty much comes down to practice

So i've heard

there are some tricks you can use to improve it though, like visualizing things in detail piece-meal and then putting it all together

@berockly (TTG) Check this out: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/3411-jds-guide-to-visualization/

JD's Guide to Visualization

JD’s Guide to Visualization Many people come into tulpamancy with different levels of visualization. It’s common for more artistic and imaginative people, as well as those with the tendency to daydream, to be able to visualize very well. However, some people find that they are very bad at visuali...

I wonder how many people improved their visualization with that guide

I might just have trouble staying focused on my minds eye

9:11 PM

Depending on what it is i can visualize it with perfect vividness until i try to focus on it

9:11 PM

I dont know how that works

Abvieon {Alex}

@berockly (TTG) Check this out: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/3411-jds-guide-to-visualization/

I dont know which i fit into

berockly (TTG)

I might just have trouble staying focused on my minds eye

Rest your eyes kitten whiskers

Uh huh

9:15 PM

Abt to block u fam

Uh huh

9:15 PM

SHSHHAHA

Aya

I wonder how many people improved their visualization with that guide

Im not sure where i fit in on the guide

I can't tell that for you...

berockly (TTG)

I might just have trouble staying focused on my minds eye

Try listening to a guided visualization and see what happens

berockly (TTG)

Oh i think i just have really weak visualization

Weak visualisation would be hypophantasia

9:35 PM

Aphantasia is no visualisation at all

Depending on what it is i can visualize it with perfect vividness until i try to focus on it

I don't think hypophantasia would fit this

Aya

Try listening to a guided visualization and see what happens

Fell asleep

9:47 PM

Apparently i've been meditating for 20 mins

9:47 PM

It felt like much less

That's not helpful at all

You can use google to find all sorts of info on improving visualization

Well it wasn't a visualization meditation

9:52 PM

Im capable of having very vivid dreams

9:53 PM

Im capable of remembering visualizations

9:53 PM

I just have trouble focusing on them

9:53 PM

Like i can have a perfectly detailed visualization minus being able to see it clearly//transparency etc

berockly (TTG)

Depending on what it is i can visualize it with perfect vividness until i try to focus on it

Lol, I just pretty much usually have like, vague silhouettes or general senses of size and position

laughs in maladaptive daydreaming in my youth paying off in visualization skill

Aya

Depending on what it is i can visualize it with perfect vividness until i try to focus on it

I don't think hypophantasia would fit this

Ah right I missed that

Hey what is it called when you disconnects from ur body